Into The Metaverse
EP.74: Making Better Business Model Choices for the Next Iteration of AI and the Metaverse with Tim O’Reilly - CEO, O’Reilly Media

EP.74: Making Better Business Model Choices for the Next Iteration of AI and the Metaverse with Tim O’Reilly - CEO, O’Reilly Media

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Known by many as the man who popularized the term Web 2.0 in the aftermath of the dotcom crash, Tim O’Reilly is back on the podcast this week to discuss the best case business models behind the next iteration of generative AI and the metaverse.

Aside from being notorious for coining the term Web 2.0, Tim is the CEO and Chairman of O’Reilly Media and a partner at early stage venture firm O’Reilly AlphaTech Ventures. His book, WTF: What’s the Future and Why It’s Up to Us, explores what technology advances teach us about the future economy and government as its “platform.” Tim is also a Visiting Professor of Practice at University College London’s Institute for Innovation and Public Purpose, where he is researching a new approach to regulating big technology platforms by limiting their ability to extract economic rents.

During their conversation Yon and Tim discuss the possibility of users aging up with avatar enabled platforms, what the next generation of generative AI will look like, how to apply the knowledge of economic rents to new technology platforms, government regulation for AI, and much more.


  • Introduction (00:25)

  • Will the Avatar Enabled Internet Age Up with Current Users (04:15)

  • Powerful New Interfaces to Knowledge (12:50)

  • The Next Iteration of Generative AI and AI Bots (18:45)

  • Business Model Choices Hampering Innovation (30:35)

  • Approaching Government Regulation for Technologies like AI (42:05)

  • Bridging the Gap Between Noise and Real Investment Opportunity (45:30)

  • Most Excited For in the Next Twelve Months (50:40)

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To find all of Tim’s writings, visit here.
Specifically mentioned during the conversation:
You Can’t Regulate What You Don’t Understand
Stakeholder Capitalism Deserves Clearer Metrics

Listen to Tim’s first appearance on Into the Metaverse here.
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